Class Discussion Aftermath - Pyroclasm

Aftermath - Pyroclasm - Hellfire

Aftermath5

gives your destruction spells a 10% chance to daze the target for 5 seconds

Pyroclasm2

gives your RoF and Hellfire a 26% chance to stun the target for 3 seconds.

Hellfire
Ignites the area surrounding the caster, causing 83 Fire damage to himself and 83 Fire damage to all nearby enemies every 1 sec. Lasts 15 sec.

so.. when I have these talents and cast this spell in PVP and hit multiple enemies.. do I have a 10% chance on daze 26% chance on stun on EVERY enemy I hit with EVERY of the 15 waves during the hellfire cast?

if hellfire marked as destruction then yes =). Effect proc is counted per wave.

So what do mages have to make up for that? We probably can agree that pure damage isn't everything in PVP

instant cast AE.

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Originally Posted by Nirar

instant cast AE.

That doesn't eat any of their health.

Mind you, if you don't have a healer keeping you alive, the Hellfire will probably kill you before all 15 waves land.

Also works on Rain of Fire, although iirc that's only 4 waves at 2 second intervals.

I think I've also heard that the stun in Pyroclasm isn't working properly. Can anyone confirm?

I saw stunned gnomes in gnomeregan when I used it.

HAHHA FIRE HAHHAHHAH BURN GNOMES BUUUURN

*cough*

interesting question--can the self-damage portion of Hellfire be avoided with fire resist?

Yes. Sacrificing your Voidwalker will also work, as will a priest's damage absorption spell.

If you're shielded, i like using Rain of Fire better since i can channel it better and not eat away the shield. Not as damaging, but you're more likely to come out alive. :p

yeah but RoF is not as frequent, only a chance to stun/daze every 2 seconds :/

True that.

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So what do mages have to make up for that? We probably can agree that pure damage isn't everything in PVP

I haven't played a mage above level 15. . . however, once on my shaman, a higher level mage (48.. i was 32) was chasing me on a horse while i ran away using Wolf Form. She kept dismounting, Blinking, then using some instant Fire spell on me, then remounting and chasing me again until the spell refreshed. I didn't really see the point of it until one time when the spell put a daze effect on me, then she did some instant Fire AE that also dazed me. I was short work after that.

Well, maybe the AE didn't daze me and it was just the fire blast. Wonder why she didn't just use Frost Nova.

mages stun with fire, not daze.

It happened pretty fast. . . all i know is, i wasn't moving as fast as i should have been!

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Blast Wave - 1/1 point
A wave of flame radiates outward from the caster, damaging all enemies caught within the blast for 160 to 192 fire damage, and dazing them for 6 seconds.

Aha! This is what dazed me :o

BTW, has anyone seen the reply on the Test Server boards about Pyroclasm and why it doesn't seem to work?

It turns out that the 26% chance to stun isn't calculated on each "wave", but across the whole spell.

So if you get 4 waves of Hellfire, each wave has a 6.5% chance to stun a mob.

This isn't a bug, but "working as intended" apparently, so they really need to update the description for it.

(Obviously with Hellfire, because of the number of waves it has, the chance to stun off any particular damage blast is extremely tiny.)

15 waves with Hellfire, actually.

4 waves with Rain of Fire.

Lousy way for it to work, imo. I would have expected that it was designed to be used as a way to keep from getting the daylights beaten out of you while you were AEing. The stuns would keep the mobs locked down instead of attacking you (particularly important with Hellfire). But given how difficult a stun result is, I don't think it would work very well in that fashion.